Dispelling Nicotine myths.

[Harnessed]

if I wanted to continue my addiction then yeah I'd start vaping instead of smoking marboros

There must be something wrong with your quit meter then. It keeps resetting for some odd reason. Just sayin.

And I can post funnies too, skip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opu_i2ZO6CI

Well I lol'd, anyway

[greenlover]

And your fricken point is????? so what if I have to reset my quit meter-at least for over a yr I've been nic free can you vaping away on your addictive e cig say the same thing-most likely not.

[Thulium]

And your fricken point is????? so what if I have to reset my quit meter-at least for over a yr I've been nic free can you vaping away on your addictive e cig say the same thing-most likely not.

I don't understand, why do you have to reset your quit meter if you have been nicotine-free for a year?


Are you caffeine-free as well, or is nicotine the only addictive psychostimulant that you consider evil?

[greenlover]

Without caffiene which has NOTHING to do with smoking I'd be asleep otherwise each nite while working. As to my quit meter I went over 10 months smoke/nic free then have blown 2 quits since. Unlike you e cig people if you have any nicitine or smoke or what have you the rules of decency/honesty means you restart your quit meter.

[Thulium]

Without caffiene which has NOTHING to do with smoking I'd be asleep otherwise each nite while working. As to my quit meter I went over 10 months smoke/nic free then have blown 2 quits since. Unlike you e cig people if you have any nicitine or smoke or what have you the rules of decency/honesty means you restart your quit meter.

Do you reset your meter when you use the patch, gum, or lozenge?

BTW, e-cigarettes are not lit on fire so they don't produce any smoke....nicotine is entirely optional in e-cigarettes and without the potentially harmful byproducts of combustion, the health benefits and risks of nicotine are nearly identical to caffeine. If your goal is to completely stop using all tobacco products AND nicotine, e-cigarettes can help by letting the user reduce or eliminate nicotine at their own pace...but that is a decision that I think should be left to the individual and their doctor AFTER they have quit SMOKING, which I believe is the goal, is it not?

[greenlover]

No why would I do that those are KNOWN QUIT SMOKING AIDES-DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you reset your quit meter when you choose to lose your quit & people blow it by SMOKING ding ding ding.

[Thulium]

No why would I do that those are KNOWN QUIT SMOKING AIDES-DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you reset your quit meter when you choose to lose your quit & people blow it by SMOKING ding ding ding.

You said, "if you have any nicitine[sic]...the rules of decency/honesty means you restart your quit meter". The patch gum, gum, lozenge, and e-cigarettes all have nicotine but do not produce any smoke.

It sounds like you don't understand how e-cigarettes work. In a nutshell, they are battery powered fog machines--do you think people should reset their quit meter if they visit a haunted house and inhale the vapor because it "looks like" smoke? E-cigarettes aren't lit on fire and produce no smoke--in fact, the propylene glycol vapor produced by e-cigarettes is a known germicide that is used in products like Ozium to CLEAN the air in schools and hospitals. Nicotine is entirely optional, and although many people continue to use smoke-free nicotine products as a long term replacement to avoid smoking, many people use e-cigarettes to reduce their dependence on nicotine by cutting down or stopping nicotine entirely.

It is also important to point out the NRTs have not been approved by the FDA for use beyond the 12 week cessation program, but there is no evidence that use beyond 12 weeks presents any significant health risks. Likewise, e-cigarettes have not been approved by the FDA as part of any 12 week cessation programs, but there is no evidence that e-cigarettes are any more addictive or dangerous than FDA approved pharmaceutical nicotine products....but there is a growing body of evidence that e-cigarettes are significantly more effective at smoking cessation and/or reduction than NRTs that do not address the behavioral aspects of smoking addiction.

[greenlover]

Not that it matters IF I was going to choose between E cigs & all that goes with that package I'd just use my drug of choice & thats a pack of Marboros or go back to rolling my own-so push your drug choice on someone undecided

[greenlover]

Keep inhaling that vapor I'm sure your lungs thrive on it

[greenlover]

No why would I do that those are KNOWN QUIT SMOKING AIDES-DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you reset your quit meter when you choose to lose your quit & people blow it by SMOKING ding ding ding.

You said, "if you have any nicitine[sic]...the rules of decency/honesty means you restart your quit meter". The patch gum, gum, lozenge, and e-cigarettes all have nicotine but do not produce any smoke.

It sounds like you don't understand how e-cigarettes work. In a nutshell, they are battery powered fog machines--do you think people should reset their quit meter if they visit a haunted house and inhale the vapor because it "looks like" smoke? E-cigarettes aren't lit on fire and produce no smoke--in fact, the propylene glycol vapor produced by e-cigarettes is a known germicide that is used in products like Ozium to CLEAN the air in schools and hospitals. Nicotine is entirely optional, and although many people continue to use smoke-free nicotine products as a long term replacement to avoid smoking, many people use e-cigarettes to reduce their dependence on nicotine by cutting down or stopping nicotine entirely.

It is also important to point out the NRTs have not been approved by the FDA for use beyond the 12 week cessation program, but there is no evidence that use beyond 12 weeks presents any significant health risks. Likewise, e-cigarettes have not been approved by the FDA as part of any 12 week cessation programs, but there is no evidence that e-cigarettes are any more addictive or dangerous than FDA approved pharmaceutical nicotine products....but there is a growing body of evidence that e-cigarettes are significantly more effective at smoking cessation and/or reduction than NRTs that do not address the behavioral aspects of smoking addiction.

If this product was the end all then WHY do regular cig smokers keep using their drug delivery system & NOT embrace yours after all you can vap anywhere your heart desires so their must be something about your choice of nic delivery system that keeps those pesky hardcore never say die smokers smoking marboros & not e cigs.

[Thulium]

If this product was the end all then WHY do regular cig smokers keep using their drug delivery system & NOT embrace yours after all you can vap anywhere your heart desires so their must be something about your choice of nic delivery system that keeps those pesky hardcore never say die smokers smoking marboros & not e cigs.

Well, I don't want to point fingers but I suspect it might have something to do with certain people saying that people should just keep smoking until they're ready to quit cold turkey.

On a more technical level, some people may be addicted to more than just the nicotine in traditional cigarettes...Studies are showing that nicotine combined with other tobacco alkaloids including Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors have a synergistic effect on addiction. Additionally, e-cig researchers are developing liquids that contain "Whole Tobacco Alkaloids" that may satisfy people who still feel like something is "missing" in e-cigarettes that contain only nicotine.

Regardless, according to preliminary results that were published yesterday in BioMedCentral of a pilot clinical study on the effectiveness of e-cigarettes, e-cigarettes appear to be MORE effective at smoking cessation (and/or harm reduction) than even NRT's. When used as directed, NRT's are proven to only be 7% effective just 6 months after ending treatment. After quitting with NRT, 93% resume smoking within 6 months and 98.4% resume the habit within 20 months. However, among users who did not want to quit, 22% had completely quit smoking after 6 months and another 30+% had reduced the number of cigarettes smoked by at least 50%. Nothing is 100% safe or effective, but switching to smoke-free alternatives like e-cigarettes that can be customized to be as similar or different as smoking as needed to break the habit is proving to be a lot closer than anything that is sold by corporations who also sell drugs to treat cancer, heart and lung disease--wonder why??

[greenlover]

Well until someone invents a painless way to quit smoking they'll never be any method thats 100% so whatever works & for whatever time period is better then people smoking but to me those doing e cigs just found their out to keep their addiction going.

[Thulium]

Well until someone invents a painless way to quit smoking they'll never be any method thats 100% so whatever works & for whatever time period is better then people smoking but to me those doing e cigs just found their out to keep their addiction going.

I quit smoking smoking painlessly by using an electronic cigarette, but there are no 100% guarantees in life (except death and taxes).

[greenlover]

Well until someone invents a painless way to quit smoking they'll never be any method thats 100% so whatever works & for whatever time period is better then people smoking but to me those doing e cigs just found their out to keep their addiction going.

I quit smoking smoking painlessly by using an electronic cigarette, but there are no 100% guarantees in life (except death and taxes).

Well other then death & taxes quitting is 100% up to the person quitting whether their method works or not. I didn't know you were nic free cause using nic is the only way painless way of "quitting" which really isn't quitting just using a different nic delivery system. Which is why E cig people are so thrilled with their "quits" cause they just choose a differnt delivery system to contiue their habit.

[Thulium]

using nic is the only way painless way of "quitting" which really isn't quitting just using a different nic delivery system. Which is why E cig people are so thrilled with their "quits" cause they just choose a differnt delivery system to contiue their habit.

The "delivery system" of lighting tobacco on fire and inhaling smoke 100's of times a day causes at least 99% of the deaths and diseases related to all forms of tobacco use. Using a personal vaporizer (with or without nicotine) is quitting everything that is known to cause cancer, heart, and lung disease and replacing it with a "habit" that not only eliminates 100% of the carbon monoxide, tars, and particulates from cigarettes.... propylene glycol vapor has been proven since 1943 to be an effective germicidal air sanitizer that is safe enough to be used in schools and hospitals.

I never claimed to be nicotine-free or not. I am an adult with ADHD and my choice to use nicotine, caffeine or methylphenidate or any other psychostimulants or leave the disorder untreated is a private issue that I would prefer to leave between me and my doctor, thank you.

As great as it is to be smoke free, do you know what is even better? Being free to make my own choices.